I have enclosure and I would like to have the front panel the same color(or as close as possible).
I have no information of the color number(like RAL or another). It'd grey or beige type.
What would the best way to order the best possible front panel color (powder coating)?
What is RAL code for company standard color...approximately?
Posted By: Pavel Perchine on Jan 05, 2012 11:14PM Category: Production
Thank you for contacting us regarding our materials.
My best recommendation is that you e-mails us at email@example.com and provide your mailing address so we can send you a sample packet.
This will provide small physical samples of our colors so you can determine if any will work appropriately.
Otherwise, you would need to consult a RAL color chart to look for a color match, then we can special order powder for your front panel.
Let us know if we can provide any additional assistance.
Customer Service Manager
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Jan 06, 2012 05:54PMReply
What way is a back side of the front panel finished if powder coating applied?
I need to have electrical connection between front panel and enclosure.
Posted By: Pavel Perchine on Jan 07, 2012 12:21AMReply
The Manual for Enclosure Assembly shows diagrams of the Side Profiles 1 and 2, indicating that they include slots which could be used for locating circuit boards, etc.
The diagrams do not show sufficient dimensional detail to allow the specific location of these slots to be determined accurately. Can you post a more detailed drawing that indicates the dimensions and location of each of these slots? If this is already available somewhere, could you please indicate where it may be found?
Posted By: Andrew West on Sep 12, 2011 10:53AM Category: Production
Hello again Andrew,
Here are the additional dimensions you requested:
C = 4mm
D = 1.5mm
E = 1.5mm
F = 7mm
Side Profile 2 only contains slot "A"" with 1.05mm ribs. Dimension "F" is also the same between each extrusion.
If you would like, we can mail you sample pack of these profiles if that is helpful in designing your enclosure, just send an e-mail to firstname.lastname@example.org.
Front Panel Express
Customer Service Manager
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Sep 12, 2011 05:40PMReply
The Enclosure Assembly Manual indicates that the Side Profile 1 and 2 are attached with 2.9mm self-tapping screws. The manual also lists 2.9mm x 9.5mm screws for sale, with a flush countersunk screw conforming to DIN 7982.
It seems likely (but is not entirely clear) that the holes for these should correspond in the Front Panel Designer program to the "For countersunk tapping screws (DIN 74C)" option in size 2.9mm (selected from the pull-down list). This has an 80 degree included angle for the head countersink, a 3.10mm hole diameter, a countersink depth of 1.67mm and a sink depth of zero.
However: The example enclosure design file for Side Profile 1 (and the similar template for Side Profile 2) appears to show the use of the DIN 74C style countersink with a size of 3mm (hole diameter 3.20mm) which uses a countersink depth of 1.74mm and zero sink depth.
I appreciate that there is only a small dimensional difference between the sizes associated with the 2.9mm and 3.0mm screw sizes. However, this apparent inconsistency raises some questions for me. I would appreciate your responses to them.
1) I am planning to use the Side Profile 1 style together with countersunk screws. Which size specification is correct for the 2.9mm x 9.5mm screws in the DIN 7982 style: M2.9 selected from the pull down list or 3mm, entered manually?
2) I notice that the DIN 74A hole parameters (for normal machine screws) specify a non-zero sink depth, while DIN 74C for self-tapping screws specifies a zero sink depth. I am considering having a flat-backed fitting partially overlap the countersunk screw after assembly and therefor require that the assembled screw head is flush with the panel surface. Does the standard zero sink depth for self-tapping screws per DIN 74C allow for this? I prefer not to add any additional sink depth or expose the raw machined surface if there is no need to add additional sink depth. The answer to this question might be related to the answer of the first question.
3) When using countersunk 3mm machine screws (to DIN 965) in 3mm DIN 74A countersunk holes for housing brackets, does the standard 0.25mm sink depth similarly allow for the screw head to be flush with the panel surface?
4) I notice that the housing profile styles specify the use of 5mm machine screws for assembly. Is it possibly to use 3mm machine screws with the side profile parts instead of using self-tapping screws? I appreciate that a somewhat longer screw (e.g. 12 or 16mm) may be needed. Are there other limitations or reasons that would make this inappropriate?
Posted By: Andrew West on Sep 12, 2011 10:42AM Category: Production
Thank you for contacting us regarding your inquiry.
You are correct, the correct countersink for the Side Profile self tapping screws is DIN74C at 2.9mm. This selection from the drop down menu is correctly specified for our hardware.
You are also correct about the M3 machine screws. The head shape is a bit different between the DIN74A and DIN74C, and these differences are accounted for in the drop down menu selections.
In order to use M3 machine screws to attach the Side Profile extrusions, you would need to have us tap the extrusions for you. We can do this by request, but without the threads, the M3 machine screw will not work properly.
If you have any additional questions, please do not hesitate to let us know.
Customer Service Manager
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Sep 12, 2011 05:31PMReply
Thank you. That seems clear: The Side Profile is best used with the M2.9 self-tapping screws and the drill hole tool for the panel should use the DIN 74C style (for countersunk screws) with the standard M2.9 size.
On the other questions: Can you confirm that the flat-headed countersink screws sit flush with the panel surface (within normal tolerances) if the holes are drilled using the standard DIN 74C (for self-tapping DIN 7982) or DIN 74A (for machine screw DIN 965) parameters?
Posted By: Andrew West on Sep 13, 2011 01:46AMReply
About to design an enclosure with you, and wanted to check if two things were possible. Basically I really like these enclosures (http://atechfabrication.com/HTPC_cases.htm#Storage,_NAS,_and_Server_Cases) and would like to make something as close as possible... Sadly the manufacturer is unwilling to do one offs at different sizes! So I'm going to go to side profile 2 with you guys.
So question 1 is whether there's any way to attach the front panel with concealed fastenings, rather than bolts through the whole front panel.
Question 2 is whether there's any way to specify more of a heatsink style side profile for the case. Which isn't just for looks, actually, the components I'm using will be throwing off a lot of heat and I'd rather avoid needing to put a fan in the case...
While I'm about it, Question 3 would be whether I can specify side profiles in different color anodized aluminum, or whether they have always to be natural.
Thanks for any help you can give me,
Posted By: Magnus Blair on May 06, 2011 09:20PM Category: Production
Thank you for contacting us with your questions.
You can indeed attach a front panel without seeing the fasteners.
What you would need to do is to create a completely flush 2.5mm thick front panel, then create a thicker (6.0mm or thicker) second front panel. Place a cavity on the back side of this thick panel that is just slightly larger than the smaller front panel. Use blind holes on the back of this thick panel, then mount the two panels together from the inside of the enclosure.
We do have a sample here of a panel inset within a panel, and I can e-mail you pictures if that would be helpful.
As far as heatsinks go, there are heatsink profiles available with integral mounting holes, though the offerings are diverse enough that special ordering is recommended.
Regarding color choices, our extrusions come in natural anodized or black anodized finishes. We are also available to drop ship these extrusions to your choice of anodizer to have them refinished to a color of your liking.
Also, for now, we are not offering powder coated extrusions.
If we can be of any additional assistance, please let us know.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on May 07, 2011 01:52AMReply
Thanks Paul for your prompt reply. Genius suggestion; should probably have thought of that! I have just placed an order with you for something designed along precisely those lines (Order #126590). Think I got everything right, but would love it if maybe you could check it to make sure before the CNC mill gets milling.
Posted By: Magnus Blair on May 10, 2011 04:44AMReply
When in the process is the anodizing done? If it's done prior to cutting, milling and drilling, then the edges will be raw. If it's done afterwards, then the edges will also be anodized.
What about the filling of the engravings?
BTW, I am planning black anodized, with white fillings.
Posted By: Keith Mycek on Feb 21, 2011 08:35PM Category: Production
Thank you for contacting us regarding our manufacturing processes.
Our sheets are anodized before milling, so the edges and holes will be raw milled aluminum. The engravings also penetrate the anodized layer, so they are raw until infilling.
If the raw edges are an issue, you could opt for powder coating.
Let us know if you have any additional questions.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Feb 21, 2011 10:29PMReply
Can you do chrome plating? If not, do you plan on providing this in a future?
Posted By: Abel Korzeniowski on Sep 22, 2010 01:52AM Category: Production
Thank you for contacting us about our material finishes.
We do not currently offer chrome plating, and it is something that we are very unlikely to offer in the future.
The best method to obtain such a finish would be to smooth out and polish your aluminum sheet, then clear coat it to prevent oxidation and preserve the finish.
Alternatively, you could take the plate and have it powder coated to look like chrome.
Lastly, there are metal finishing business able to chrome plate aluminum, though I believe it is somewhat uncommon.
I hope this information has been helpful for you.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Sep 22, 2010 08:16PMReply
Thank you Paul.
Posted By: Sugar Free on Sep 24, 2010 08:52AMReply