Front Panel Designer category
I am using the "Sub-D 25 pole with changeable drillings" library macro, and wonder how I can change the mounting holes (or even find out what the present hole size/type is).
Posted By: Peter Bennett on Dec 14, 2010 02:29AM Category: Front Panel Designer
Thank you for contacting us today regarding macro objects.
In order to view the individual items in a macro, you will want to right click on the macro placed on the panel, then click "Ungroup all groups".
Next, you can double click on any individual item to view its size or change its attributes (like perhaps to make the flanking drill holes larger or tapped holes).
Do be aware, however, that it is best to regroup the items before moving them around the panel after they have been ungrouped.
Let me know if you run into any additional issues.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Dec 14, 2010 05:27PMReply
I have a question, what is the difference between a circular cavity and a blind hole with a diameter of 1.25"? They seem to do the same but the cavity is much more expensive. When I want a 3mm cavity in a 4mm panel, is there a danger that when using a blind hole it may punch through instead of having a nice flat bottom?
Posted By: Kim Beumer on Dec 08, 2010 06:56AM Category: Front Panel Designer
Thank you for contacting us about Front Panel Designer. The pricing issue you have discovered has been remedied in the newest version of our software, Front Panel Designer 4.11. (The correction was more to lower the price of the cavity instead of increasing the price of the blind hole)
Click on the photo below to see pricing for a 1.25" x 0.03" deep cavity and blind hole in FPD 4.11.
There is no danger of using a blind hole instead of a cavity, just be sure to leave at least 0.5mm of material below the blind hole.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Dec 08, 2010 05:15PMReply
Thank you, I will download the latest version.
Posted By: Kim Beumer on Dec 08, 2010 08:44PMReply
I just downloaded the 4.11 version and it still has the price difference, $5.06 for the cavity and $3.04 for the blind hole. Is there a way to update the pricing file?
Posted By: Kim Beumer on Dec 09, 2010 01:26AMReply
You are correct, those two items are not properly aligned (I previously had not set the depth to 3mm).
I will report this to our software designers and we should see this issue corrected in the upcoming release.
For now feel free to use the drill hole and take advantage of the lower price!
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Dec 09, 2010 01:48AMReply
I have another cost question. It appears that a hole plus a blind hole is a lot cheaper than a countersunk hole. Is this true and I am kinda curious as to the reason.
So when doing a countersunk hole are some configurations cheaper than others and if so which ones?
Posted By: Kim Beumer on Dec 12, 2010 07:30AMReply
You are indeed correct, there are major differences between the prices of counter-bores and countersinks.
In order to make an angled countersink, the milling tool has to make a great many small stepped passes to cut the conical shape. For a counter-bore (no steps), an end mill can make a few passes and cut the shape much more quickly.
If your project involves material 4mm or thicker, you can take advantage of this by using hardware like standard socket cap screws along with the through hole in a blind hole.
As always, let us know if you have any additional questions.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Dec 13, 2010 04:54PMReply
I am sorry if I keep asking silly questions but where do I find the difference between counter-bore and countersinks in the software. Going through a number of different holes the trend seems to be that metric DIN74A is cheaper than ANSI 82 degrees for essentially the same hole while some manually controlled ones can be even cheaper than that (sometimes that is). Somehow I am not capable of finding any logic in the pricing structure.
Posted By: Kim Beumer on Dec 13, 2010 08:01PMReply
Hello again Kim,
A counter-bore is a countersink with a 180 degree head angle. There is no separate item for this type of countersink, but instead it is simply entered with manual parameters.
The DIN74A is cheaper to mill than the ANSI 82 degree countersink (assuming 3mm hole size) because the DIN74A requires less milling time.
Going too in-depth into how we calculate pricing would probably not make me very popular with our software developers.
If you would like to discuss it more in detail, feel free to give us a call.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Dec 14, 2010 05:23PMReply
So far I have had no problems with the design process but when
I try to print my design my printer outputs a blank page. The
print preview and everything looks right. No error messages or
anything. Do you have any idea what I am doing wrong? HP computer
with windows vista 64. HP 4280 printer which works perfectly
with every other program. Thankfull for any help you can give.
Posted By: David Nelson on Dec 01, 2010 08:28PM Category: Front Panel Designer
Dear Mr Nelson,
Please let me know if this helped.
Posted By: P Neumann on Dec 01, 2010 09:27PMReply
Yes, I followed those steps and still when I try to print
my printer only outputs a blank page. Up until the printer
outputs a blank page every thing looks normal. Seems like it is not sending the info to the printer even though it
tells the printer to print. I saved the panel and did every thing I do in a normal cad program but does not print
Any sugestions? Dave
Posted By: David Nelson on Dec 02, 2010 05:15PMReply
Can you please e-mail the file in question to us at: firstname.lastname@example.org
Also, can you tell me which version of Front Panel Designer you are using (Help -> About in the software).
This will help us attempt to replicate your issue.
Thanks for your continued patience.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Dec 02, 2010 05:48PMReply
I emailed a file and the version #. If you didn't get
it let me know and I will send it again. Dave
Posted By: David Nelson on Dec 03, 2010 09:44PMReply
Thank you for forwarding along the file in question. We attempted to reproduce the issue at hand without success. We will, however, forward along this file and the issue to our software developers for additional testing and analysis.
Thank you for your assistance, our greatest asset in software development is the assistance we receive from our customers!
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Dec 06, 2010 06:09PMReply
I just thought of something as a temporary band-aid:
You should have a printer called "Microsoft XPS Document Writer". Please try to print your Panel with this printer. It should save as a .xps file (alternative format to .pdf). Now you open this file and hopefully you can see the panel. If this is the case you could print the .xps file and get your desired result this way. Please let me know if this works.
Posted By: P Neumann on Dec 07, 2010 02:19AMReply
Any way to add a curved slot cavity? Or is this in the works for a future version of fpe?
I'd also love to be able to do a curved slot in a rectangle cavity.
Posted By: Thor Lewis on Nov 27, 2010 02:29AM Category: Front Panel Designer
Thank you for contacting us regarding Front Panel Designer.
While there is no way to make a curved slot cavity directly in the software, you could import that shape as a DXF and specify that it be a cavity.
If you do not have any third part CAD software, feel free to e-mail us the curved slot in an FPD file and we can make a DXF for you.
The curved slot in a rectangle could be done in a similar fashion with a DXF, and we could also create such an item for you from a curved slot set inside a rectangular hole or cavity.
Feel free to contact us via e-mail for more information.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Nov 29, 2010 08:09PMReply
Im in the process of designing a 19" 2U front panel. My plan is to buy a Schroff 20860-605 and then just replace the front panel. I would use the front panel off the Schroff and get you guys to cut it, but i want a perspex front panel.
Anyway this is the problem. When using your program, I open a new design, set the size to the 19" Front Panel and 2U height, then add system holes. Measuring the distance between the front panel holes centre-to-centre (the holes which attach the panel to the rest of the case, not the ones that actually hold it in a rack) it comes out as 55mm.
However, when i look at the handle accessories (part 20860-257) for the Schroff case, it says the holes are 53mm apart. So should i change the distance on my design, or is it ok to keep it the preset distance?
p.s Sorry i couldn't get links to the product pages, the Schroff website is all flash based, however if you go to their website and put those product numbers in the search they come up fine
Posted By: Elliott Whyte on Nov 17, 2010 07:35PM Category: Front Panel Designer
Thank you for contacting us regarding your project.
You are absolutely correct, for the part number you specified, you would want 55mm spacing for the handles.
I spoke with the original author of the system hole parameters, and it appears as though the original specifications are for a part that has been discontinued.
We will report this to our software development team immediately and include it in our next software release.
Thank you bringing this to our attention!
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Nov 18, 2010 12:05AMReply
Thanks for clearing this up. I think you got confused (understandably) by my post though. Your system holes template has the holes at 55mm, however the schroff data sheet indicates they are 53mm.
I will order my case first and measure it to make sure anyway.
Posted By: Elliott Whyte on Nov 18, 2010 12:21PMReply
Just to confirm, i got my schroff case today and measured it up. As expected, the vertical height between the screw holes is 53mm, but i also found the horizontal distance is 417mm (whereas your template is set at 425mm)
What is the situation with shipping to the UK?
Posted By: Elliott Whyte on Nov 22, 2010 02:44PMReply
Hello again Elliott,
Thank you for reporting this second discrepancy.
You have made an excellent decision by getting all of your parts in-hand before ordering your front panel; verifying all measurements is a sure way to reduce the possibility of needing a replacement panel!
For shipping to the UK, you will want to visit www.schaeffer-ag.de to obtain the software package for European customers. Your panels will then be manufactured in Berlin and consequently shipped at a lower cost.
Thank you for all the help checking our Schroff system holes.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Nov 22, 2010 05:48PMReply
Just wanted to note some issues I'm having with keyboard commands using an Intel Mac and version 4.1 of FPD.
The "Select mode" tool appears that it should be activated by the space bar - this doesn't seem to work for me.
The "Delete" command appears it should be linked to the Delete key but this is also not working. (I'm using a Mac laptop, so my Delete key is where the "backspace" key would be on a PC).
I am happy that I can set my mouse scrolling wheel/ball to scroll the document up+down. It would be GREAT if left+right scrolling functionality could be added as well.
Last but not least, it would be FANTASTIC if we could get some key commands for zooming in and out. "Command plus" and "command minus" seem to be the standard for Mac and "control plus" and "control minus" for PC.
Posted By: Seth Alder on Nov 16, 2010 10:45PM Category: Front Panel Designer