Front Panel Designer category
I am designing a 6RU 19" rack panel. When I add the system holes, four holes appear in the four corners of the panel but I need to add more standard size rack holes on each side. Generally, a 6RU rack panel has four holes on each side and not just two. Ideas on how to add these?
Posted By: Paul Christensen on Sep 10, 2012 01:52PM Category: Front Panel Designer
Front Panel Designer lets you choose from two rack mount panel system suppliers, Schroff and Fischer. Both have two mounting holes on each side of a 6U panel. The additional drill holes are for the handles.
However, you can copy or move everything that is on your design. Those system holes are a template and you can even delete parts of it.
Let me know what spacing you need between the holes. I can help you with the design.
Posted By: Diane Haensel on Sep 11, 2012 02:03AMReply
That worked well. I now have the extra rack holes added.
My rack panel is nearly complete. I did notice that one of my 3" holes will not exactly center in line with the other three. It's off by about one pixel and no amount of movement will get it on the exact center line with the other holes. Does the software have a "snap to" function like some other CADD programs? If not, I'll just start over by deleting, then addding. Many thanks!
Posted By: Paul Christensen on Sep 11, 2012 01:48PMReply
There is a snap on function for new placed objects. But I recommend to activate the 'Object Properties' window. You can find it in the toolbar under 'View'
This will show you all relevant info of an object once selected. The first two entries in the object properties show you the X and Y coordinates. Those can be edited and allow you to align everything to each other perfectly.
Posted By: Diane Haensel on Sep 11, 2012 07:45PMReply
That fixed it perfectly.
One other nagging question. Under panel properties, I have selected a 6RU height standard rack size. I thought that a EIA standard 6RU rack is precisely 19" wide by 10.5" in height. But when selecting the program's pre-determined 6RU height, the panel dimensions are 19.0157" wide and 10.4665" in height. Sure, just a fraction off but is there a reason for this discrepancy? Thanks!
Posted By: Paul Christensen on Sep 12, 2012 03:00PMReply
I believe this may be a correct answer to the question as it relates to EIA RU height, but not the 19" width discrepancy:
"Typically, a piece of equipment being installed has a front panel height 1⁄32 inch (0.031 inches / 0.787 millimetres) less than the allotted number of "Us." Thus, a 1U rackmount computer is not 1.75 inches (44.5 mm) tall but is 1.719 inches (43.7 mm) tall. 2U would be 3.469 inches (88.1 mm) instead of 3.5 inches (88.9 mm). This gap allows a bit of room above and below an installed piece of equipment so it may be removed without binding on the adjacent equipment."
Posted By: Paul Christensen on Sep 13, 2012 02:09AMReply
Is there a recommended minimum spacing to use between rectangular/circular cut outs?
I have a few rectangle cutouts to place next to each other and want to make sure I'm not putting them to close together to avoid any problems during/after cutting.
Posted By: Shaun Ortolano on Sep 08, 2012 05:13PM Category: Front Panel Designer
Also, is there a size limit to how large a panel can be? Is 29" x 9" doable?
Posted By: Shaun Ortolano on Sep 08, 2012 05:19PMReply
I can't give you a clear answer about the spacing. It depends on both the material thickness and the size of the cutouts. In case the cutouts are small, like 25mm (1"), you can place them pretty close to each other. I would recommend something in the area of 2mm (0.08") as remaining material in between. However, when you have longer cutouts, like >100mm (4") with a material thickness of 2mm, I would give it at least 5mm (0.2") in between.
If the cutouts get too long and too close, the remaining material in between starts to vibrate during the machining process. This results in a finish with chatter marks. The good thing is that you don't have to worry about it too much. Each submitted Front Panel Designer file gets checked by us for machinability. We contact you if we see concerns and your order is placed on hold until we are able to go over those concerns with you.
A panel size of 29" x 9" is doable in thicknesses of >2mm. Maybe even in 1.5mm but I would need to see your design to confirm.
In general, the largest panel size that fits on our machines is 46" x 34.25"
Posted By: Diane Haensel on Sep 11, 2012 01:35AMReply
hi, i have a black panel...and i would like to write black text on top of a white box on the panel.
ive made a white box. and the black text. but how do i choose which is going to be printed on top of the other? ie. so how do i choose which goes to the forefront ..where is the "foreground"..."background" setting for the box and text. At the moment i am unable to bring the text to the front. i would not want the panel to come back and there be a blank white box there wit the text hidden underneath
Posted By: Black Out on Aug 18, 2012 05:59PM Category: Front Panel Designer
Graphics in Front Panel Designer work a little different than in other design software.
You can't define layers since the images are not printed. All engravings are on the same layer and you would need to isolate the text from the background with a lip. This ensures that the infill paint of each area doesn't run into an other.
Our logo is a good example for it. Click here to have a look. The letters are embossed and show the aluminum color. Only the background is engraved and infilled with paint.
The last image on this page shows white infilled letters (the word Danger) on a red background. The associated hpgl design includes a lip between the red and white infill area.
More info about hpgl design can be found here.
Please let me know if you need help with your design. We offer a hpgl design service.
Posted By: Diane Haensel on Aug 20, 2012 07:58PMReply
I have an older partial panel that I would like to replace as is. Could I just send that partial panel in to you and have you make me one just like it?
Posted By: Rolf Grandstaff on Aug 14, 2012 03:15PM Category: Front Panel Designer
Yes you can send the partial panel in to us and have us design the Front Panel Designer file for you. We charge an hourly fee of $80 for this service.
Posted By: Diane Haensel on Aug 17, 2012 10:03PMReply
Hi all I do a front panel via Adobe Illustrator and I would want to import in FrontDesign for factoring.
It seems to be not possible !!! does anyone have an experience for Importing ?
Thanks by advance
Posted By: Ritchie Ritchie on Aug 08, 2012 05:59PM Category: Front Panel Designer
You can import dxf and hpgl files.
The hpgl import (file extension plt) is for engravings but can be also used as a design layer to compare your existing Adobe Illustrator file to Front Panel Designer. Check out our tutorial about hpgl imports
I hope that helps.
Posted By: Diane Haensel on Aug 09, 2012 02:18AMReply
I typed in the outside corner radii, yet they did not stay in the entry boxes nor did they appear on the screen.
I loaded a design from two years ago and the corners show on it.
The previous design used 1.5mm anodized (which I see is no longer available).
I have searched help and the forum yet cannot find an answer.
Does anyone know why is this happening?
Posted By: Kenneth Saylor on Jul 30, 2012 04:14PM Category: Front Panel Designer
I don't know why this is happening. It shouldn't because we didn't make any changes related to corner radii. Also, 1.5mm anodized is still available.
Can you please send us both fpd files to firstname.lastname@example.org, the old and the new file? I would like to have a look and find out what went wrong. Do you run Front Panel Designer on Windows? If not please let me know what exe file you downloaded. This should narrow it down for me.
I am sorry for the inconvenience and will get back to you as soon as I can have a look at the files.
Posted By: Diane Haensel on Jul 30, 2012 04:46PMReply
I was able to duplicate this problem. What happens to me is I can select the value that is in the box, and then type in a new value such as .25, but when I leave this box and select something else it reverts back to whatever value was in there originally. there are two different work-arounds for this problem. First one is to type 0.25 instead of just .25. The other is to place the cursor at the far right decimal place and back space over what is there and enter a new value. Both fixes seem to work fine.
this problem seems to be consistently present in pretty much all the places you can change a value (i.e.; X and Y position, ect.)
I am running the Linux version of Front Panel Designer, so I don't know if this is the same in either the Windows or Mac versions.
Posted By: Michael St. Pierre on Jul 31, 2012 12:38AMReply
Thank you for your detailed error report. I was able to duplicate the problem with the Windows version.
The reason is the missing zero when you type .25. The code of Front Panel Designer comes from Europe and it is not common over there to skip the zero, it is always 0.25. I already reported this to our IT department and it should be fixed with the next version.
Posted By: Diane Haensel on Aug 02, 2012 09:46PMReply
I'm glad that this will get addressed. I remember it really gave me problems when I was first using the program. But now I've gotten pretty used to it (I'll just have unlearn what I do automatically now). It will of course be good to have this work correctly for any new users of the program, and it will speed things up for me as well.
Thanks for listening.
Edit: BTW, the bug is more then just leaving out the zero preceding the decimal point. Here's something to try...
Select an item such as an existing hole in the panel,then press "M", and with the mouse highlight a single digit in either the "X" or the "Y". Now enter a new number other then zero and select "OK". 10 times out of 10, that number will be changed to zero, instead of what you entered.
Posted By: Michael St. Pierre on Aug 09, 2012 07:32AMReply
Hmm, I was not able to duplicate the "mouse-highlight issue" on Windows. I will add it to my bug report and let our IT people try it on Linux.
Thank you again for pointing this out.
Posted By: Diane Haensel on Aug 11, 2012 01:14AMReply