Front Panel Designer category
Hi, I thought I'd leverage the macro folders and add my own folder. When I did that I got an error that the "category tree is corrupt!". It did not add my folder.
Subsequently, everytime I tried to add a new macro object the error comes up (I'm not even trying to create a new folder at this point). Yes, I did quit and restart the program and the error remains in this file.
Further, when I tried to rename a macro object, the program crashed completely.
Don't know if this has been reported, or if files can get corrupted, but I hope not because I've spent a lot of hours on this file. Please advise.
Posted By: Mike Phillips on Dec 18, 2010 08:49AM Category: Front Panel Designer
Note: I tried uninstalling the programl, rebooting, and then reinstalling...definitely still have the problem.
Further, the problem manifests in other files I open as well. Somehow my macro library is corrupted. Any fixes to this?
Posted By: Mike Phillips on Dec 18, 2010 08:56AMReply
Thank you for reporting this issue. Can you list the specifications of your computer, including hardware and operating system?
Also, which version of Front Panel Designer are you using?
Was the attempt to add a folder to the Macros menu done in the software or in the program directory itself?
Thanks for the additional information. We will attempt to recreate the issue if possible, and it will be reported either way.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Dec 20, 2010 06:37PMReply
Hi Paul, thank-you.
Computer: Win 7 x64, Core I7 920 processor
Front Panel software: 4.1
Method for adding folder: done in the software itself.
I get the error no matter what file I open, so I believe the program itself is corrupt somehow.
I did try uninstalling/reinstalling it, but that didn't help.
I have not touched the folders structure on the hard drive.
Glad to know this is not a rampant problem; any thoughts on a fix? If not, I can live with it; but it is annoying. It also has removed the Standard directory and all I have is the user directory.
Posted By: Mike Phillips on Dec 20, 2010 11:17PMReply
Simply uninstalling/reinstalling the program has not worked.
After many unsuccessful attempts to get this working again, here is what worked and finally fixed the problem:
1) I deleted the reference to my custom macro folder (Macro files option in the settings under Edit.)
2) Uninstalled the program
3) Removed all references to SchaefferAG in the registry
4) Deleted the whole Users/Username/AppData/Roaming/FrontDesign folder (which had contained the personal macros).
5) Reinstalled the program.
When this corruption occurred, I was not doing any funny business; I simply tried to make my own folder for a macro, using the new folder button in the macros pane, and immediately all the trouble started.
Now, however, I am able to add my own categories without an error. I don't know why this occurred, but I trust you will log it and the fix in case this comes up again.
Posted By: Mike Phillips on Dec 21, 2010 10:47AMReply
Hello again Mike,
Thank you for following up on this problem; your complete report will be very helpful for our software developers.
If you right click on the "User" directory in the macro pane and select "Import Old Macros", are you able to bring your old macros back into the software?
I suspect there was just a small hiccup during the installation of the newest version of the software, and your efforts to clean out the original software version entirely allowed the new installation to perform as intended.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Dec 21, 2010 05:23PMReply
Hi Paul, it's a great suggestion.
I tried it, but the program doesn't "see" the file at all. It's sitting on my desktop, but it does not appear in the import list when I navigate to the desktop using the method you described. I suppose it must be corrupted somehow, as the message kept saying "Catergory Tree is Corrupted!" (misspelling is in the error message too! ;)
Anyway, thanks for the followup, and I'm just raiding my existing project to build up again the macro library.
Take care and stay warm and dry!!
Posted By: Mike Phillips on Dec 21, 2010 10:14PMReply
I am using the "Sub-D 25 pole with changeable drillings" library macro, and wonder how I can change the mounting holes (or even find out what the present hole size/type is).
Posted By: Peter Bennett on Dec 14, 2010 02:29AM Category: Front Panel Designer
Thank you for contacting us today regarding macro objects.
In order to view the individual items in a macro, you will want to right click on the macro placed on the panel, then click "Ungroup all groups".
Next, you can double click on any individual item to view its size or change its attributes (like perhaps to make the flanking drill holes larger or tapped holes).
Do be aware, however, that it is best to regroup the items before moving them around the panel after they have been ungrouped.
Let me know if you run into any additional issues.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Dec 14, 2010 05:27PMReply
I have a question, what is the difference between a circular cavity and a blind hole with a diameter of 1.25"? They seem to do the same but the cavity is much more expensive. When I want a 3mm cavity in a 4mm panel, is there a danger that when using a blind hole it may punch through instead of having a nice flat bottom?
Posted By: Kim Beumer on Dec 08, 2010 06:56AM Category: Front Panel Designer
Thank you for contacting us about Front Panel Designer. The pricing issue you have discovered has been remedied in the newest version of our software, Front Panel Designer 4.11. (The correction was more to lower the price of the cavity instead of increasing the price of the blind hole)
Click on the photo below to see pricing for a 1.25" x 0.03" deep cavity and blind hole in FPD 4.11.
There is no danger of using a blind hole instead of a cavity, just be sure to leave at least 0.5mm of material below the blind hole.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Dec 08, 2010 05:15PMReply
Thank you, I will download the latest version.
Posted By: Kim Beumer on Dec 08, 2010 08:44PMReply
I just downloaded the 4.11 version and it still has the price difference, $5.06 for the cavity and $3.04 for the blind hole. Is there a way to update the pricing file?
Posted By: Kim Beumer on Dec 09, 2010 01:26AMReply
You are correct, those two items are not properly aligned (I previously had not set the depth to 3mm).
I will report this to our software designers and we should see this issue corrected in the upcoming release.
For now feel free to use the drill hole and take advantage of the lower price!
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Dec 09, 2010 01:48AMReply
I have another cost question. It appears that a hole plus a blind hole is a lot cheaper than a countersunk hole. Is this true and I am kinda curious as to the reason.
So when doing a countersunk hole are some configurations cheaper than others and if so which ones?
Posted By: Kim Beumer on Dec 12, 2010 07:30AMReply
You are indeed correct, there are major differences between the prices of counter-bores and countersinks.
In order to make an angled countersink, the milling tool has to make a great many small stepped passes to cut the conical shape. For a counter-bore (no steps), an end mill can make a few passes and cut the shape much more quickly.
If your project involves material 4mm or thicker, you can take advantage of this by using hardware like standard socket cap screws along with the through hole in a blind hole.
As always, let us know if you have any additional questions.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Dec 13, 2010 04:54PMReply
I am sorry if I keep asking silly questions but where do I find the difference between counter-bore and countersinks in the software. Going through a number of different holes the trend seems to be that metric DIN74A is cheaper than ANSI 82 degrees for essentially the same hole while some manually controlled ones can be even cheaper than that (sometimes that is). Somehow I am not capable of finding any logic in the pricing structure.
Posted By: Kim Beumer on Dec 13, 2010 08:01PMReply
Hello again Kim,
A counter-bore is a countersink with a 180 degree head angle. There is no separate item for this type of countersink, but instead it is simply entered with manual parameters.
The DIN74A is cheaper to mill than the ANSI 82 degree countersink (assuming 3mm hole size) because the DIN74A requires less milling time.
Going too in-depth into how we calculate pricing would probably not make me very popular with our software developers.
If you would like to discuss it more in detail, feel free to give us a call.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Dec 14, 2010 05:23PMReply
So far I have had no problems with the design process but when
I try to print my design my printer outputs a blank page. The
print preview and everything looks right. No error messages or
anything. Do you have any idea what I am doing wrong? HP computer
with windows vista 64. HP 4280 printer which works perfectly
with every other program. Thankfull for any help you can give.
Posted By: David Nelson on Dec 01, 2010 08:28PM Category: Front Panel Designer
Dear Mr Nelson,
Please let me know if this helped.
Posted By: P Neumann on Dec 01, 2010 09:27PMReply
Yes, I followed those steps and still when I try to print
my printer only outputs a blank page. Up until the printer
outputs a blank page every thing looks normal. Seems like it is not sending the info to the printer even though it
tells the printer to print. I saved the panel and did every thing I do in a normal cad program but does not print
Any sugestions? Dave
Posted By: David Nelson on Dec 02, 2010 05:15PMReply
Can you please e-mail the file in question to us at: firstname.lastname@example.org
Also, can you tell me which version of Front Panel Designer you are using (Help -> About in the software).
This will help us attempt to replicate your issue.
Thanks for your continued patience.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Dec 02, 2010 05:48PMReply
I emailed a file and the version #. If you didn't get
it let me know and I will send it again. Dave
Posted By: David Nelson on Dec 03, 2010 09:44PMReply
Thank you for forwarding along the file in question. We attempted to reproduce the issue at hand without success. We will, however, forward along this file and the issue to our software developers for additional testing and analysis.
Thank you for your assistance, our greatest asset in software development is the assistance we receive from our customers!
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Dec 06, 2010 06:09PMReply
I just thought of something as a temporary band-aid:
You should have a printer called "Microsoft XPS Document Writer". Please try to print your Panel with this printer. It should save as a .xps file (alternative format to .pdf). Now you open this file and hopefully you can see the panel. If this is the case you could print the .xps file and get your desired result this way. Please let me know if this works.
Posted By: P Neumann on Dec 07, 2010 02:19AMReply
Any way to add a curved slot cavity? Or is this in the works for a future version of fpe?
I'd also love to be able to do a curved slot in a rectangle cavity.
Posted By: Thor Lewis on Nov 27, 2010 02:29AM Category: Front Panel Designer
Thank you for contacting us regarding Front Panel Designer.
While there is no way to make a curved slot cavity directly in the software, you could import that shape as a DXF and specify that it be a cavity.
If you do not have any third part CAD software, feel free to e-mail us the curved slot in an FPD file and we can make a DXF for you.
The curved slot in a rectangle could be done in a similar fashion with a DXF, and we could also create such an item for you from a curved slot set inside a rectangular hole or cavity.
Feel free to contact us via e-mail for more information.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Nov 29, 2010 08:09PMReply
Im in the process of designing a 19" 2U front panel. My plan is to buy a Schroff 20860-605 and then just replace the front panel. I would use the front panel off the Schroff and get you guys to cut it, but i want a perspex front panel.
Anyway this is the problem. When using your program, I open a new design, set the size to the 19" Front Panel and 2U height, then add system holes. Measuring the distance between the front panel holes centre-to-centre (the holes which attach the panel to the rest of the case, not the ones that actually hold it in a rack) it comes out as 55mm.
However, when i look at the handle accessories (part 20860-257) for the Schroff case, it says the holes are 53mm apart. So should i change the distance on my design, or is it ok to keep it the preset distance?
p.s Sorry i couldn't get links to the product pages, the Schroff website is all flash based, however if you go to their website and put those product numbers in the search they come up fine
Posted By: Elliott Whyte on Nov 17, 2010 07:35PM Category: Front Panel Designer
Thank you for contacting us regarding your project.
You are absolutely correct, for the part number you specified, you would want 55mm spacing for the handles.
I spoke with the original author of the system hole parameters, and it appears as though the original specifications are for a part that has been discontinued.
We will report this to our software development team immediately and include it in our next software release.
Thank you bringing this to our attention!
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Nov 18, 2010 12:05AMReply
Thanks for clearing this up. I think you got confused (understandably) by my post though. Your system holes template has the holes at 55mm, however the schroff data sheet indicates they are 53mm.
I will order my case first and measure it to make sure anyway.
Posted By: Elliott Whyte on Nov 18, 2010 12:21PMReply
Just to confirm, i got my schroff case today and measured it up. As expected, the vertical height between the screw holes is 53mm, but i also found the horizontal distance is 417mm (whereas your template is set at 425mm)
What is the situation with shipping to the UK?
Posted By: Elliott Whyte on Nov 22, 2010 02:44PMReply
Hello again Elliott,
Thank you for reporting this second discrepancy.
You have made an excellent decision by getting all of your parts in-hand before ordering your front panel; verifying all measurements is a sure way to reduce the possibility of needing a replacement panel!
For shipping to the UK, you will want to visit www.schaeffer-ag.de to obtain the software package for European customers. Your panels will then be manufactured in Berlin and consequently shipped at a lower cost.
Thank you for all the help checking our Schroff system holes.
Posted By: Paul Birkeland on Nov 22, 2010 05:48PMReply